15 Jul 2025 13:12:01
Don't know how much Wolves get of Debet for having there name on the shirt. Just read MC have signed a 10year deal with Puma for l billion 100 mill per year how are you supposed to compete with that.

1.) 15 Jul 2025
15 Jul 2025 13:55:04
Sadly there is only one way and that is to win lots of football matches - as we were doing and would have continued to have done under Nuno.
Jeff however thought we could/should go a different way.
He was wrong then and remains wrong today!

2.) 15 Jul 2025
15 Jul 2025 14:39:42
True enough Tfiog but you need ambition for that, like Birmingham City who have announced their plans to build a £3BN 60, 000 seater stadium complex to compliment their ambitions for the club.

To be fair Wolves have bought new pakamacs for those sitting in the rain in that bit up the corner.

3.) 15 Jul 2025
15 Jul 2025 15:03:57
Have to accept Man City are on a different planet to us. They are run by the best available. We are run by Jeff! no football background trying to do everything himself and failing miserably. Got a bad feeling about this season, just hope I am wrong.

4.) 15 Jul 2025
15 Jul 2025 15:14:33
Hi TFIOG1,
Nuno was great for us, but that ship has sailed. Remember that at least 50% of fans wanted him out (No plan B) and at that point we were losing a lot more than we were winning and if allowed to continue we may have been in another relegation battle. Jeff's mistake was getting BL in. What credentials did he have to manage a team that was in turmoil really and to bring in new talent to stop the rot. That's why recruitment is vital. Not necessarily big names but those who are a perfect fit. Hopefully VP is now that man and with the right onfield recruitment we will start to win more matches.

5.) 15 Jul 2025
15 Jul 2025 16:00:24
Black - you are correct and I should look forwards not always backwards.
However re Nuno, if you are correct and some wanted him out, they probably didn't understand the situation.
His greatest achievement was keeping Wolves up that year after Seville. Wolves lost their 3 top scorers - Jimenez, Jota and Doherty and replaced them with a child nowhere near ready for adult football.
They were indeed on course for relegation after Jimenez's terrible injury but Nuno solved the problem - not sure many others could have!
As I have said before however it is hard to be too harsh on the other managers post Nuno - with the exception of GON who clearly had no idea at all - as the club kept selling the team from under them.
Until Wolves learn that the only way to be profitable and successful is to run the club competently and build a team nothing will change.
The current strategy is madness and doomed to continue to fail.
How Jeff, (or perhaps Fosun and he is just the fall guy), can't see this is incredible.
Maybe though they do but just have other more pressing and serious problems and Wolves are merely a brand to be milked for as much as possible to cover problems they have elsewhere in the empire?
Fingers crossed Wolves can get their transfer business done - at least 8 or 9 bodies required of which 4 or 5 need to be first 11 quality - over the next couple of weeks as the season is now just round the corner.

6.) 15 Jul 2025
15 Jul 2025 16:06:10
Not sure about that Black buddy, out of the Wolves fans I know none of them wanted Nuno to go (myself included) so 50% seems like a VERY high number! I always find it funny with the no plan b stuff, how many different formations did VP use last season and how many were actually successful?! Lage was an odd appointment I grant you, but like MANY Fosun decisions since Nuno left they simply went for the cheapest option!

7.) 15 Jul 2025
15 Jul 2025 16:20:41
Together Bullysboy I think Nuno wanted money to spend expand the squad. Jeff Shi new better Nuno walks Wolves went down hill.

8.) 15 Jul 2025
15 Jul 2025 16:22:53
I've said this before, we got lucky with Nuno, prior to him Fosun had walked into Enflish football having no obvious background, fired Jez Moxey and Kenny Jackett, appointed the hapless Walter Zenga, remember him! And then had to scrat around after 17 games to appoint Paul Lambert to get them out of the mess, it's fair to say some of the decisions have been strange to say the least, let alone cheap, the pay offs gave probably been anything but cheap.

9.) 15 Jul 2025
15 Jul 2025 17:10:32
Going back to shades point, why did we go from an international branded Adidas made shirt to the lesser castore and now Sudu?. I know sales were meant to give us a bigger cut, and imitation/rip offs not so easily available but better to have a name and support abroad, (I'm thinking TV income here), than to miss out on a few fake tops. The bigger advertising on the shirt as well.
The quality of shirt since adidas has gone down dramatically as well in my opinion. £60-70 for a thin piece of poly whatever!.
What is the benefits of Debet on our shirt globally in comparison to puma? Like Barrs coke to coca cola or Pepsi.

10.) 15 Jul 2025
15 Jul 2025 18:14:37
Apples and oranges Abbeywolf.

You can compare Puna to Sudu as they are the shirt manufacturers.

Debet are the club sponsors so you have to compare them to Etihad Airways.

But a big difference re the shirt manufacturer is this - the likes of Adidas, Nike and Puma etc pay the club the agreed amount, in Man Citys case, £100m a season. Any sales of shirts that exceed that, the profits go only to the manufacturer NOT the club.

Wolves are nowhere near generating those kind of sales so rather than have Sudu pay us say £2m a season whereby if the club sell £5m of merchandise, they'd only get the agreed amount, they are actually in a better position in that they could potentially make more money as they take a % rather than a fixed amount. Nowhere near the deals being announced by the bigger clubs, but more than the likes of Brentford, Palace and the likes.

11.) 15 Jul 2025
15 Jul 2025 18:46:57
At least 50% of fans wanted Nuno out? No way. I was gutted and the general feeling was one of surprise. The fact is that Fosun didn't support Nuno after Seville, plus that run of injuries when we had a small squad created the crisis that caused them to sack Nuno. Nuno DID NOT FAIL, Fosun failed Nuno.

12.) 15 Jul 2025
15 Jul 2025 19:14:43
That was a very difficult decision to accept, however there is more to it than Fosun not backing Nuno. Namely pandemic changing the financial landscape, Nuno not being able to see his wife and children as they were in Portugal affected his mental health and the horrendous injury to Raul impacted everyone at the club. There are many factors that led to Fosun and Nuno parting ways.

That is in the past and we have to look to the future.

13.) 15 Jul 2025
15 Jul 2025 19:28:42
Get over this Bruno Lage thing please. He isn't to blame for what went wrong.
Yes getting rid of Nuno was a mistake.
Getting rid of Bruno, Julen and GON cost she'd loads too.
The mistakes were not necessarily down to the coaches but the change in spending policy.
We've had great players through Mendes and Gestifute. Don't knock the good times. In fact Bruno was more successful at Benfica than Nuno at Porto.go figure

14.) 15 Jul 2025
15 Jul 2025 22:32:23
Thanks for explaining the shirt sales bit wandering, and it makes sense. I was in a way trying to say Debet dosnt compare as a shirt sponsor, and a wider global recognition on a top brand shirt may generate, do we sell Sudo abroad? ( I don't mean from us international sales), because I went to JD sports oxford the other day, they who sponsor our arm badge, they had Newcastle, villa arsenal, Chelsea, psg, Barcelona shirts, no wolves because there no interest 'down here', on telling them I was interested the offered to order for me. The other shirts are of interest to the tourists who flock here, mainly from the far east, an area I thought we were aiming at, and somewhere Debet may have a relevance. Still Jeff and crew know what they're doing, I'm just a loyal member.

15.) 16 Jul 2025
16 Jul 2025 12:49:31
There were articles written about whether or not Bruno would take Wolves to the Champions League.
Then players start to revolt because even though they make all that money, they still shouldn't have to do the same training drills over and over.
They want fun practices.
I don't remember fun practices when I was a kid, we did drills, damn it!

16.) 16 Jul 2025
16 Jul 2025 12:52:35
I believe we get around £6 million per season.
It really hasn't kept up with inflation, unless you don't have inflation over there.
This is why Jeff should be shown the door. This is his core responsibility-generating revenue. And he's been abysmal.

17.) 16 Jul 2025
16 Jul 2025 15:28:16
Sudu deal is worth £7m per season and Debet deal is worth £10m per season.